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PostPosted: November 24 2005    Post subject: Elavil non addictive and boy do you sleep Reply with quote

Why do I not see anything about Elavil on these post. It is great for giving you a good nights rest, all night.
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PostPosted: November 24 2005    Post subject: Yes Reply with quote

Its quite true that Elavil, Trazadone and Remeron can all be quite successful and much safer than Ambien, Lunesta or the true Benzos for insomnia. Once someone has become tollerant to one of the sleeping pills ( Ambien, Lunesta or Benzos), the Elavil, Trazadone and Remeron are not so effective due to the rebound and withdrawal after extended use. If Elavil, Trazadone or Remeron were tried first or before significant tollerance to Ambien, Lunesta or Benzos had developed, a lot more people would find a good path to dealing with insomnia and anxiety without the dependence problem and side effects of the sleeping pills that work via GABA-A.

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PostPosted: November 28 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found Trazadone, Remeron, and Elavil to all be very ineffective at treating my insomnia. They don't really make me that tired and when I take them I have a real hard time waking up the next morning. Trazadone is definitely the strongest out of all of them. I have tried Lunesta and found it to be even less potent than Trazadone is. I take Klonopins for social anxiety and they are somewhat effective at helping me fall asleep. They don't really make me tired they just stop the racing thoughts and inability to keep still while trying to fall asleep. They also leave me a little drowsy the next morning. I think I need something really potent with a half-life of about 2 hours. Once I fall asleep I am out. I have never had the problem of waking back up a few hours later.
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PostPosted: November 28 2005    Post subject: Some people are really helped Reply with quote

by these medicines and they are lucky, because I'm sure they really are better for you than the benzos. I've tried Elavil and Trazadone, and for me the next day hang-over was unacceptable. My doctor insisted the effects would diminish, and I was a good girl and managed too scrape through the day until the two week mark.

At that point the grogginess was no worse than in the beginning and I went off of them. As bad as not sleeping was....this was worse. Eventually I found sme relief in klonopin, as it seemed to switch some "off-switch" in my brain and allow a few hours unconsciousness. With the prior meds. (elavil, etc), I never really felt asleep..just stuck in some drowzy half-zone.

I'm currently (as of a few days) trying Xyrem. This feels like the first true sleep. Unfortunately, I feel a bit out-of-it for a little longer than I would have expected the next day, but am hoping (praying), it will pass. I've had insomnia for over 40 years and spent over 30 of it unmedicated. Now, I want to spend some of my life sleeping.
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PostPosted: November 28 2005    Post subject: Klonopin Reply with quote

Go real easy on the Klonopin. Its the strongest benzo, with a 24hour long half life, affects the seizure GABA control and has the least feeling of groginess making less aware of its strength. Because of all this, it and Xanax have caused the most problems of all the benzos. If you use it occasionally and sparilingly it is quite safe but even modest doses every night will lead to a nasty dependence. It is only approved for seizure control in many places due to this. Mixing it with Xyrem will only accelerate the risk. Take the Xyrem without any other benzo as it will knock you out by itself.

Read the experience of Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac and what impact Klonopin had on her. Please be careful as many of us have fallen for this problem including myself.


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PostPosted: November 29 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klonopin is not the strongest benzo. First off Stevie Nicks had a addictive personality. You don't see me going around snorting coke. I only take Klonopins 3 days a week so I don't see how there would be much a problem for me.
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PostPosted: November 29 2005    Post subject: If you Reply with quote

knew anything about brain chemistry, you would know that constant exposure of your GABA-A receptors to a strong Benzo like Klonopin WILL modify the number of receptors, change the mix of subunits on the receptors and alter the sensitivity to the chloride channel control. These changes are real and will result in physical addiction whether you have or have not an "addictive personality". If you take Klonopin daily in even at a few miligrams for a year, you cannot quit without experiencing severe withdrawal that may cause seizures, will cause insomnia and anxiety and can last for months. This is so bad that many people cannot quit, go into rehab for fast tapering or have a doctor implement a long taper.

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Klonopin is not the strongest benzo. First off Stevie Nicks had a addictive personality. You don't see me going around snorting coke. I only take Klonopins 3 days a week so I don't see how there would be much a problem for me.


http://www.benzo.org.uk/bzequiv.htm

If you review the table, only Klonopin, Xanax and Halcion rank at #1 strength in that only .5mg equals 10mg of Valium. No other commercially available benzo is stronger. Of the three, it lasts more than 10 times longer due to its long half life exposing your brain for 10 times as long. Do the math!

A rationalizing confident cocky attitude can result in this addiction just as easily. I wish you all the best!

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PostPosted: November 29 2005    Post subject: ELAVIL Reply with quote

Hi

There is another thread called 'elavil for insomnia' which you should read. I have not personally ever tried elavil, but from what i read there, i would be wary about taking it!

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PostPosted: November 29 2005    Post subject: Curious Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
Its quite true that Elavil, Trazadone and Remeron can all be quite successful and much safer than Ambien, Lunesta or the true Benzos for insomnia. Once someone has become tollerant to one of the sleeping pills ( Ambien, Lunesta or Benzos), the Elavil, Trazadone and Remeron are not so effective due to the rebound and withdrawal after extended use. If Elavil, Trazadone or Remeron were tried first or before significant tollerance to Ambien, Lunesta or Benzos had developed, a lot more people would find a good path to dealing with insomnia and anxiety without the dependence problem and side effects of the sleeping pills that work via GABA-A.

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Are trazodone, elavil and remeron truly good ways to deal with insomnia? Are they non-addictive? Do they have any side-effects?
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PostPosted: November 29 2005    Post subject: Its ok to try Reply with quote

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Are trazodone, elavil and remeron truly good ways to deal with insomnia? Are they non-addictive? Do they have any side-effects?


The only truly good ways are without medication. All medications have some side effects and they vary from person to person. All Psychoactive ( drugs that modify brain chemistry) can cause problem if used long term. This is because the humam neural system is quite plastic. By that I mean it adapts to the environmant very well and adjusts for things like drugs being constantly present just as it does stressors. Unfortunately many of these changes become unmasked when the drug is stopped and some form of withdrawal occurs. This varies quite a lot from drug to drug. The benzos are in a class that happens to be quite bad.

All that being said, Elavil, Trazadone and Remeron are anti-depressants that if taken in modest doses for less than six months will not cause the problems you have seen with Ambien or the other similar benzo drugs. All of these can have side effects but in smaller doses you have to try them to see how your body reacts. They are not addictive but using them long term is not advised for any Psychoactive drug for the reason given.

Prior to Ambiens arrival on the scene, doctors had gotten very fearful of the traditional benzos since addictions had bcome such a problem. Check out the movie "Valley of the Dolls". Because Ambien was selective to the hypnotic benzo receptor Alpha 1, it was hoped, that would limit its addiction potential. Just like the benzos, turns out it is and its withdrawal is the very symptom its prescribed for "insomnia". Just like all benzos.

During the interim Elavil was very commonly prescribed for insomnia with some success. Trazadone and Remeron have had some success also. It really ends up coming down to whether you as an individual have side affects. The only way is to try. Some people claim its a miracle and others hate them. They won't hurt or addict you and may just work. Start out with smaller doses and work up. If they do not work or you have side effects just quit. If they work, then take them for six months and see if the benzo effects have worn off and then stop everything but relaxation, warm baths, good hygeine, etc......

Remeron does really help me sleep but even at 7.5mg, I'm a basket case till noon. At 15mg I'm a basket case all day. Thats why 3.75mg is where I'm at.

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